October 4, 2006 at 06:41 pm · my husband uncovered a strad copy in the rubbish the other day and also now i"m wondering exactly how old it might be.

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the label says antonius stradivarius cremonensis faciebat anno 1713 do in czechoslovakia. It"s printed and on the side of the label there"s a lion standing on a drum and unerneath it says legalone or legatone. Walk Faciebat anno 1713 typical that it"s make after a design from the year or go it mean that the violin chin is made in 1713? If not does everyone know how old these violins normally are? you deserve to see that it"s an old instrument, that doesn"t look prefer the factory made tools they have nowadays. By the method is it factory or hand made? many thanks for your help!

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bill Pratt

October 4, 2006 in ~ 07:41 afternoon · Well, I understand one thing: that is at the very least 13 year old, and not end 88 years old.

And if it states "Made In" climate it more than likely is no over 50 years old.


Angelo Eftimeo

October 4, 2006 in ~ 08:12 pm · One asy means to tell that it isn"t really old, is the nation of origin. History books can probably give you a an excellent time frame of once the nation of Czechoslovakia was formed (My id is early 1900"s). Likewise the day usually way that it is a replica design on the 1713 Strad model. Girlfriend can discover many modern-day factory made instruments (from both the far east and also Europe) that have actually a model day (Guarneri 1740, etc.) because the tool is (supposedly) based on that particular classic violin.


Tom Holzman

October 4, 2006 at 08:41 pm · Czechoslovakia was created right after civilization War ns out of the stays of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Therefore the violin cannot be older than 1919.


Maura Gerety

October 4, 2006 at 09:16 pm · and it break-up right in fifty percent to type Czech Republic and also Slovakia in 1993, therefore there"s your other temporal bookend.


Raphael Klayman

October 4, 2006 in ~ 09:25 pm · "Facibat anno" way "made in the year". It is a an extremely inexpesive replica - suspect it"s in good condition. If not, I"m i m really sorry to phone call you the it may have practically no value, and not worth the cost of solving up. Without at the very least some an excellent photos there isn"t much an ext I might say - except to recall an amusing incident.

Once a lady concerned a dealer with a similar instrument. She was encouraged that she had actually a actual Strad. He gave her the inescapable news, adding "I tried to dissuade girlfriend from making the long trip, and also even you, a non-expert, should have been tipped turn off by the "made in Czechoslovakia"

"So what?" rejoined the lady, undeterred. "Couldn"t Stradivari have actually travelled?"

(Of course, that"s whereby the age of Czech. And the English ~ above the lable should have kicked-in!)

D Wright

October 4, 2006 at 10:12 pm · "found in the trash"

hmmm...maybe there"s a reason for that. In general, one doesn"t find great violins in the trash.

Kevin Huang

October 4, 2006 in ~ 10:24 afternoon · Czech Strad copies, as soon as cleaned up and also properly adjusted, have the right to be decent instruments. Were this my violin, I"d more than likely take it come a luthier so the it might have a bridge and strings placed on it. It won"t be a "great" violin, but it"ll probably produce a passable tone and also that"s what counts. Besides, it"s no as if a the majority of money was invested on it.

I"d quite play a solid special old Czech Strad copy than countless a contemporary violin through thinned the end plates.

Maura Gerety

October 5, 2006 at 03:02 am · ns think I supplied to have actually a Czech violin...it claimed it to be German yet it to be from the early 20th c. When lots of German violins were in reality made in Bohemia. I chosen it very much--a small unrefined, but a an extremely nice wealthy tone.

bill Pratt

October 5, 2006 in ~ 03:54 am · even the Mecklenburgers i met in Rostock called me the the Czechs (Bohemians) make the best and also only true Pilsner.

Maura Gerety

October 5, 2006 at 03:55 am · Czechs beat the ideal football (soccer) on the continent too...but we"re mentioning violins? ;)

Nicholas Tavani

October 5, 2006 in ~ 04:27 am · *coughs violently*

*mutters something around Italy*

anisha netto

October 5, 2006 in ~ 11:20 am · faciebat anno 1713...standing alone it claims made in the year 1713 yet given the made in czechoslovakia heat it most most likely or surely way that the violin is a copy that a 1713 strad...hope the helps..reminds me..the Gibson stradivari is native 1713..isn"t it?

hope this helps..


sarah salmi

October 5, 2006 at 11:29 to be · I"m having it resolved up ideal now and it won"t cost me anything because the luthier constantly wants to perform things for totally free as a gift come me, maybe since he

has recognized me due to the fact that i was a baby.

Kevin i like your style, you constantly have an excellent oppinions!

And around that age thing, it had a mark on that from a people music festival in 1977 for this reason it"s atleast 30 something.

... I don"t care around the value of a violin, the point that matters is the it"s playable... Yet ofcourse i want to have actually a great violin in the future, yet for now i"m happy that i own two violins the didn"t expense me anything and also an electric for 500 euro.

Christian Vachon

October 5, 2006 at 12:04 afternoon · D light - one of my former teachers once found a bow sticking the end of a garbage have the right to in Toulouse. He asked if he can take it. The answer to be yes. Turned the end it was a nice Morizot! Things can happen.


Kevin Huang

October 5, 2006 in ~ 12:45 afternoon · Oh thanks sarah salmi. I"m glad the you"re going to gain back that instrument. Item (or people) that space consigned come the garbage bin aren"t necessarily devoid of function.

I have a brand-new term because that violins the one discovers because that cheap in trash can be ~ or unwanted bins the sound good once provided a ideal restoration. Since I generally don"t treatment if even Elmer Fudd (the fictitious cartoon character of Looney Tunes)made such tools if castle sound good and are gained for low prices, I call them "Fuddarius" instruments. Sarah"s instrument is a "Elmerius Fuddarius, Faciebat Anno who Cares If that Works". This applies to bows as well.

Raphael Klayman

October 5, 2006 in ~ 12:50 pm · buy it - if a luthier is addressing it for complimentary then you have whatever to gain, and nothing come lose! additionally ask him when he think this fiddle to be made, together he"s the one through his hands and eyes top top it. Ns was reasoning of a scenario wherein a very inexpensive instrument could have to speak a soundpost crack, etc.

Someone once offered me two cheap college student bows without any kind of hair. I thought to have actually them rehaired for ultimate inclusion in part violin sale. Yet my reliable (but no free!) friend, bow maker John Hsu, dissuaded me. They"re still beneficial as they room - because that poking wayward students! (Just kidding!)

Maura Gerety

October 5, 2006 at 02:00 afternoon · Hey Tavani, Euro 2008 isn"t that far off...you Italians just acquired lucky in the Cup. Video game on. :)

On the various other hand, if Hungary in reality manages come scrape with each other a qualification, mine loyalties might end up violently divided....but this is irrelevent, sorry because that the off-topic guys. :)

sarah salmi

October 5, 2006 in ~ 02:18 afternoon · Ha Ha, i might just surname the violin Elmer :)

Carolyn Shields

October 5, 2006 at 03:52 afternoon · On no finding an excellent instruments in the trash: some time back the Strad provided by the LA Phil"s principal cellist rotate up next to a rubbish dumpster. And I think a violin stolen from a car in California was uncovered in an alley close to a dumpster. Dumpsters may be the an initial place to look because that your following instrument, or perhaps it"s just a California thing.

Angelo Eftimeo

October 5, 2006 at 07:25 pm · ns think that may simply reflect a possible idea the Californian"s may not appreciate worth (sorry, just the Arizonan in me speaking).

D Wright

October 5, 2006 at 09:31 pm · ns stand corrected.

*sorts through ilya"s dumpster*

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